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Post by katiegallagher on Feb 24, 2011 0:39:31 GMT -5
Okay boys, here is the deal... my questions are not going to be like 5 questions for each and 5 more for both like everyone elses, I will keep it simple...
So here's the deal I am going to give my personal summery of how I thought each of you played this game and what I want u to do is respond to it, saying what you agree with and what you disagree with on both finalists
Benry: Physical game was ur game, thats a good thing, I went up against you and u handled yourself great, I mean it didnt hurt that Tom and Natalie made almost every challenge the types u were good at, but it got u here and I do give u kudos. You were the leader of your tribe, everyone was so far up ur ass they were dragging on the floor behind you... again that is a compliment. It seemed u were in control so much that Chase would give his idol to u instead of protecting himself.
Now for the bad stuff, ur social game lacked, I think I talked with you three times in this game and I tried to make an effort to talk with you, but u were always honest when u spoke (minus Final 11). Also u brag about being vulnerable only three times, that is good, but u got votes at all three, u were nearly out even twice (one vote serperating it both times) and the other u would have gone had u not played an idol... so how well did u really play?
Earl: You were very high on my like list, we talked, we got along and we planned on going far together. Or so I thought, u voted with me the first time and we took out Kelly, then we were on different tribes and I would talk to you expressing my concern for u and talking with others to try and keep u. Then we merge and u say ur with me, but u want Dreamz out and u succeed. Then u promise me that we're solid... not only were we not, but u voted against me soon at that point, u lied to me about 3 times straight and had I survived longer I strongly believe u would have lied some more! So Benry's social game was lacking, but urs sucked! U lie to people constantly and try and blame me or Danielle or whoever for ur lies and act like u are the victim. I mean had u have said, sorry Im with Benry's group, would u have not made Final 2? I doubt it, Im sure the game would have been about the same. I admit I understand the first lie, u needed to get majority, but the rest was uncalled for. Challenges, u did decent, never won any tho.
On the plus side, u did play well (if u ignore the unneccessary lies), u had an alliance and u made it work for u without immunity, so good job
Now I want to emphasize, I want u both to respond to what I said, tell me what u agree and disagree on, I am leaning towards voting one of u, but if someone gives me a good or bad answer it could gain or lose my vote
PS. I do think u should both thank Natalie and Tom for the eChallenge, cause I dont think ud both be here if it was just an immunity challenge, could be wrong but I dont think so
Lastly Benry, I want you to tell me what animal u think u are most like... I dont need Earl to answer it because I already know what he is...
Thank you both and I do congrate u, u did what we all wanted so good job!
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Post by Ben "Benry" Henry on Feb 25, 2011 1:08:52 GMT -5
Thanks Katie! I like this question since I normally respond to comments anyways  Thanks, I try my best in each and every challenge. However the one part I disagree with is that "types" of challenges I'm good at. I think I've shown that no matter what the challenge is, whether it's endurance, puzzles, or chains...I'm either winning it or close to winning it. Overall, I think I'm a strong player and that comes from the fact I am really focused and competitive. I mean, we're on the internet. We all should have the same capabilities to a degree, it's just who puts in the most effort.I definitely felt like a leader, but I tried not to be too pushy with my decisions. Convincing Chase to abandon New Livy was my game changing move. But I was definitely voicing my opinions publicly, lol. I did want to be seen as a leader type player, because during that time, quite a few players from your side said how I rarely logged on AIM and that I was invisible prior to the merge. So I made it very obvious that I was there with my public rants.  It was truly part of my strategy to get more noticed and to put myself in that leader type role.I tried talking to you when we originally swapped, but our conversations never really went anywhere. I think that had to do with the fact you were already in an alliance and you didn't want to get close to me because I was a candidate to be voted off. So I never felt like talking to you would get anywhere - but I did try several times in the merge. But I accept that I didn't log on alias much, there isn't any denying that. But at least you said I was always trying to be honest with my decisions, sans final 11. I think that can say a lot about my game and I hope you can consider that when making your vote.It was actually you who brought that up to me! xD I seriously never really thought about it. I was on edge throughout the entire merge, despite only being vulnerable twice. It's a 28 person game, and I'm going to definitely make it a selling point for why I should win. The fact I only could of left twice in like 21 or so Tribal Council's is something I've obviously never done before. Win or lose, I think that's pretty badass. As for receiving votes, it's because I was a threat. I liked that I was a threat, it's only more reason for why I think I should become the Sole Survivor. But each of those times I had the needed votes to stay. It didn't matter that there was a 1 vote difference at Final 10, my alliance had the numbers. It may as well have been 5-0. It didn't matter if I got voted at final 9 because I was playing an idol. (My actions that round - and the round before would of been different had there been no idol) As for final 4, my only option was to have it tie after becoming the minority at final 7. Becoming minority is something me and Earl both faced and had to deal with. And by guaranteeing Earl a spot in the Final 4 (giving him my Grotto prize) I did just that. Earl spent his time lying to Boo and Gabe so he wouldn't be the vote, while I stayed honest. I was confident in my challenge abilities at that point and I knew I was voting Boo no matter what (Gabe was immune), so there was nothing to be said.I know I would of had to rely on immunities and the Grotto after my alliance lost numbers, but I thank the hosts for planning the eChallenge! It wasn't like they added it to help us, I'm sure it was already in their plans. I mean this is "eSurvivor" after all. But definitely lucky for us!
xD the animal question <3
I would say that I'm a Lion.  King of the Jungle and very strong. I was a baby lion, from the start though, because it's cuter. But as my journey throughout the game progressed, I evolved into the King. "Baby lions are called cubs. Cubs are born after 3 1/2 months. Lions do not have a den (home) where they would live for a long time. The lioness conceals the cubs in thick bush, gullies or rocky outcrops. If the hiding place has been seen by other predators, then the lioness will move the cubs to a new hiding place." This would be me throughout the Pre-Merge. I spent the time staying out of the spot light. I could emerge at the merge. (lol) I never experienced Tribal Council and was waiting to step up.
"A litter of 2-6, usually 2-3, cubs are born and most of the time only 1-2 cubs survives until introduced to the pride where they have the protection of the whole pride." This is where I made the merge, and gave & got the protection from and to my allies. I eventually turned into a full blown lion. 
Thanks again Katie!
Mood: Focused
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Post by katiegallagher on Feb 25, 2011 1:20:07 GMT -5
Thank you Benry, good responces  |
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Post by Earl Cole on Feb 26, 2011 1:38:02 GMT -5
Benry: Physical game was ur game, thats a good thing, I went up against you and u handled yourself great, I mean it didnt hurt that Tom and Natalie made almost every challenge the types u were good at, but it got u here and I do give u kudos. You were the leader of your tribe, everyone was so far up ur ass they were dragging on the floor behind you... again that is a compliment. It seemed u were in control so much that Chase would give his idol to u instead of protecting himself.
Benry was a monster in challenge I'll agree with what you said there, he won nearly everything and when he didn't he was a hair away from winning. I wouldn't say he was the leader of the tribe, most of the times I was bringing up the names of the people we should vote for and there were times when he didn't get exactly what he wanted for vote offs. He wanted Gabe out first at the merge and was trying to switch that vote to him, knowing it was a bad move for my game since I was wanting to keep that Tiberius option open, so I made sure the Dreamz vote stuck. Then at the final 5 he wanted Boo to leave over Danielle, I had to step in and say to him that Danielle was a much better move to make because of her ability to win challenges and any tb situation. Yes, he did get Chase's idol and that was good, any key allie is going to likely help out the other in that type of situation.
Earl: You were very high on my like list, we talked, we got along and we planned on going far together. Or so I thought, u voted with me the first time and we took out Kelly, then we were on different tribes and I would talk to you expressing my concern for u and talking with others to try and keep u. Then we merge and u say ur with me, but u want Dreamz out and u succeed. Then u promise me that we're solid... not only were we not, but u voted against me soon at that point, u lied to me about 3 times straight and had I survived longer I strongly believe u would have lied some more!
When we started together on Tiberius I was with you 100%. We were part of the 4 person alliance there was Danielle, Gabe, Me, and You. We knocked out Kelly voting together and I honestly had no problems with you at all there. Then the tribes switched up and we were never on the same tribe again until the merge, we touched base a few times before the merge but we already had made new allies on those tribes. I was honest with you on the Dreamz vote, I said I wasn't voting Courtney and I would vote Dreamz out. I asked you that round how you ended doing on your grotto trips and if you attained anything. I wanted to see what you would say since I knew with all those trips there you had to have something. When you gave me the excuse you went for the idol but only got a letter and then the same thing happened your next trip and you couldn't figure it out, I knew you were lying to me. So, you in sense actually lied to me before I lied to you. I did say we were solid and we were at the time, but obviously we never had any long term deal in place for the end game and I was already involved in final 3 with Brenda and Courtney. I played both sides on the Peter vote and was going to make sure we could gain majority on our side, I could have always voted you out or anyone else on Tiberius before Peter but didn't to keep options for later open. I did lie to you a few times later and ended up voting for you, just did what I felt was the best thing to do. You had used up all your grotto items and Boo had just went to grotto and thought it was best to vote someone other then Boo since he might have some null vote nullifier he could use on himself or you'd all give him an idol if you'll had another since he would of been our likely target. It was just the strategic move I made at the time and had Chase not self voted then it would have been a tb challenge between you both. Had you lasted longer, I was considering trying to work something out with you since Danielle flat out told you that you were next and I might have used you. I may have actually been honest with you depending how things lined up.
So Benry's social game was lacking, but urs sucked!
My social game was just fine, I was on aim quite often and talked with everyone in the merge with the exception of Dreamz and that was mainly because we were tribed for 24 hours together and I was targeting him. Benry on the other hand was rarely on aim in the merge, he eventually just used pms and was on his regular aim talking to his allies instead of everybody else.
U lie to people constantly and try and blame me or Danielle or whoever for ur lies and act like u are the victim.
Lying is part of the game and I mainly did it because of the prizes and how they can instantly change the game. After the Dreamz vote, I realized you could have easily used an idol or some prize to save him and I didn't want to take any unnecessary chances. I was also playing both sides of things and obviously you have to lie with that strategy, I was doing what I needed to in order to find everything out I could and keep me safe. I used some excuses to try and cover up my lies and that's something I just decided to go with at the time.
I mean had u have said, sorry Im with Benry's group, would u have not made Final 2? I doubt it, Im sure the game would have been about the same. I admit I understand the first lie, u needed to get majority, but the rest was uncalled for.
I could have always said I'm with the other side and I'm never coming back. I thought that would have been stupid to say because I was still going to use Tiberius for 1-2 votes around the final 8 or final 7 to break up Chase or Benry since I knew both had a close connection and eliminating one of them was actually beneficial come mid merge. I know you were working Chase to work with him later in the game, I know Boo had some side deal with Brenda, and Danielle was social trying to make these no vote deals with people from my side in the merge. It would have been way too dangerous saying I was with them 100% and have you come target me. I may not have made final 2 had I said I was with them, you might have flipped someone else or I could have been idoled instead of Brenda since you would have seen me of no use, or voted me instead of Chase. Too many potential bad things would have happened if I didn't lead you on.
Challenges, u did decent, never won any tho.
I tried on the challenges wasn't like I threw them all or was lazy on them. I knew that I had the strategic ability to make the end of the game without winning any of the individual challenges and did. There were a lot of challenges I was 2nd in both pre merge and in the merge and that cost me a couple grotto trips. Not winning any of the individual challenges probably helped me more then anything not look like a threat like Danielle and Benry who were always on top of them.
PS. I do think u should both thank Natalie and Tom for the eChallenge, cause I don't think ud both be here if it was just an immunity challenge, could be wrong but I dont think so
This game was def twisted and the echallenge was another huge twist, but something that surely helped both My and Benry's game. We made the most of the opportunity where he was able to win immunity that guaranteed himself final 4 and handed his immunity grotto prize over to me the next tribal council. Everyone had the same chance to win it and better secure themselves for the end game. Should it have been a regular immunity challenge there was still a chance, I could have won immunity and went to the grotto and gotten something. Benry had his immunity prize and he would have been safe if he used it. Then it was a situation where we could have made final 3 with whoever you all would have targeted probably Boo and maybe tied the vote or gotten a majority through something from grotto. There was still hope, just would have made things a lot trickier.
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Post by Ben "Benry" Henry on Feb 26, 2011 1:47:37 GMT -5
Benry was a monster in challenge I'll agree with what you said there, he won nearly everything and when he didn't he was a hair away from winning. I wouldn't say he was the leader of the tribe, most of the times I was bringing up the names of the people we should vote for and there were times when he didn't get exactly what he wanted for vote offs. He wanted Gabe out first at the merge and was trying to switch that vote to him, knowing it was a bad move for my game since I was wanting to keep that Tiberius option open, so I made sure the Dreamz vote stuck. Then at the final 5 he wanted Boo to leave over Danielle, I had to step in and say to him that Danielle was a much better move to make because of her ability to win challenges and any tb situation. Yes, he did get Chase's idol and that was good, any key allie is going to likely help out the other in that type of situation. I didn't care who ultimately left between Gabe and Dreamz. Both were going to have to leave anyways. lol It's not like I was pushing for something and didn't get what I wanted, it was merely suggestions. I don't even remember doing so actually. (I probably did) It was just talk about who we should vote. Second, don't take the Danielle vote solely as your credit!! That was both of our decision. I realized it myself tyvm.  Just wanted to state that |
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Post by Matthew "Sash" Lenahan on Feb 26, 2011 2:01:02 GMT -5
what a bitter hoe lmao
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Post by Earl Cole on Feb 26, 2011 12:18:38 GMT -5
I didn't care who ultimately left between Gabe and Dreamz. Both were going to have to leave anyways. lol It's not like I was pushing for something and didn't get what I wanted, it was merely suggestions. I don't even remember doing so actually. (I probably did) It was just talk about who we should vote. Second, don't take the Danielle vote solely as your credit!! That was both of our decision. I realized it myself tyvm. Just wanted to state that You def did talk about voting Gabe, we had a conversation about it. Courtney started getting all upset because she wanted Dreamz to leave and was frustrated that the vote was changing to Gabe. There was a reason to not vote Gabe from my point of view, in case I needed him later to switch up things. I'm not taking all the credit for the Danielle vote lol. Obviously I needed you on board to pull it off. I was stating you wanted Boo gone orginally and I had given you valid reasons to keep him and boot the bigger threat with only 2 immunities left. You might have realized it, but you never spoke up and said anything to me about it. Probably if I didn't Boo would have gone and it would have been a major mess at the next tb challenge for you or me. |
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Post by katiegallagher on Feb 26, 2011 18:55:51 GMT -5
I asked you that round how you ended doing on your grotto trips and if you attained anything. I wanted to see what you would say since I knew with all those trips there you had to have something. When you gave me the excuse you went for the idol but only got a letter and then the same thing happened your next trip and you couldn't figure it out, I knew you were lying to me. Actually that was basically true, the first time I went (round 1) I got... Clue 1: E Second time I went (round 6) I got... Clue 1: E I did figure it out because a few other people told me letters they got, so I was able to figure it out... but I didnt want to tell u I had the idol till I was able to trust you, ie. u vote with me, but other then that what I said was 100% true (ask tom) Anyway thanks for your answers Earl ... I will be voting now! |
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Post by Boo Bernis on Feb 27, 2011 2:20:19 GMT -5
Second, don't take the Danielle vote solely as your credit!! That was both of our decision. I realized it myself tyvm. Just wanted to state that Um.... From what I remember you told me you had already left your bootlist for me to go. I came and talked to you a TON and finally you gave in the next day. And same to Earl. Right after the whole thing went down I went to him and talked to him ALL night just listing why keeping me was better. Earl kept saying "Yeah I'll talk to him" and then when you agreed, he came to me talking like he did a whole lot....just like he said above  I actually thank Danielle for that because I sent both Earl and Benry something I copied from a chat me and Danielle had that night. Tried to get something out of her and she honestly told me something along the lines of "I would never vote for Gabe. Next round it will end in a tie no matter what." I felt bad throwing her under like that, but I had to save myself. |
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It was truly part of my strategy to get more noticed and to put myself in that leader type role.
King of the Jungle and very strong. I was a baby lion, from the start though, because it's cuter. But as my journey throughout the game progressed, I evolved into the King.
