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Post by Danielle DiLorenzo on Feb 23, 2011 21:09:05 GMT -5
*Danielle walks up and flips hair.* First off, Benry and Earl, I want to say congratulations to the two of you for getting there. You guys were our rivals for the most part but it is fun to have some competition in this game. Before I get to my questions for the both of you, I want to just give some comments about how I saw your game. Earl : You're first but hold on.... You look really hungry so I'm gonna give you something appropriate to eat. Outside this game.. You are a pretty nice and cool guy, and fun to talk to, we did start as an alliance on the original Tiberius (I will not vote you 100% based on the fact we are original tribemates and we were aligned at some point in the game). Inside this game, god the lies you told my alliance round after round about how you were voting. Then to top it all off, you'd come up with the most silly excuses for why you did what you did. However, when I left there was a difference between you and Benry, that difference is Benry told me upfront "Danielle I'm thinking of voting you." However, sent you a message around 6-7 and you said you needed to confirm with Benry yet you never showed till after results were up, so you had voted me the entire time. You played the biggest rat in this game, but on a social level, you were on AIM a lot more than Benry was when we merged, so it was easier to talk to you. My questions for you are: 1) What was the point in all of these silly excuses about why you voted the way you did. Why not just be honest and say you were playing for the other team? 2) Another thing I noticed in your game was you seemed a bit cowardly at times (ex. Throwing the FIC to Benry (or at least it seemed that way to me, self-voting the round Courtney left.) Was this being cowardly or were you trying to do these things to look like Jesus Christ to my alliance, your alliance, and the jury? 3) Final individual question for you. Did you have a pre-game alliance with anyone in this game? Benry : Honestly, you have been one of the biggest challenge whores I've seen in an ORG thus far that I have played. I think you've won around 6-7 (Estimation lol) which is pretty badass. However to me, it seemed most of your game relied on the saving grace of Individual Immunity and Grotto rewards which only make it seem more of a luck-based thing to get there. Social play really wasn't in your favor cause I had to PM you more than talk to you on AIM, and I'm not the kind to sit around and PM someone to ask them about votes and stuff. As I said in Earl's comments, you were honest about me leaving, but I am not going to give you my vote 100% just cause you didn't send me leaving on the bullshit train when I got voted out. My questions for you are: 1) Can you honestly divide up your gameplay for me in 100% percentages? Tell me how much in your honest opinion was strategics, social play, challenge play, and just pure luck. 2) Do you think that if real life Benry came across this ORG, and watched how you played this game, that he would say that he's happy with how you played? 3) My final individual question to you is this. Out of the jury members, who do you feel contributed the most to where you are sitting right now and why? Now for the final question.... Both : 1) You two have been generally nice towards each other, so now I want to see some slamming. I want you BOTH to tell me why the other person SHOULD NOT win this game. Don't be iffy on the slamming or you may not receive my vote to win. Once again guys, congratulations and good luck to the both of you!
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Post by Ben "Benry" Henry on Feb 24, 2011 16:06:47 GMT -5
Hi Dani Thank you, lol. I don't think I relied on immunities. Every time I sweep the immunities in a game, the way someone tries to criticize is to say I needed them. I think I only NEEDED immunity at one point in this game. I only needed immunity from final 8 to final 7. (When my alliance lost numbers) I was able to win both rounds and keep myself in. I lost immunity at final 10 and survived. At final 9 I think the same thing could be said to everyone in your alliance about needing it, but I played an idol there. At final 4 I lost immunity and was able to survive. So the both rounds I was eligible to go home, I made it through the vote. The first is because of my alliance that had majority (some of the credit goes to me for helping unite us), and the second was because I was able to bring someone to final 4 who would keep me.
As for social game play, I didn't like to log on all the time when nothing in the game was happening. I preferred logging on my alias in the times I actually needed to. By a certain point, I assumed everyone knew my main AIM which I was on a lot more xD. I'm one of the few people who likes communicating by personal message as well as AIM. It really doesn't matter to me - but AIM is obviously more effective. 30 % Strategy 20 % Social Game 35 % Challenges 15 % Luck
Ok that equals 100%. I'm not the best in Math, but Google told me so. Anyways, the most percent is 35% challenges. While I don't think I RELIED on it, I think my efforts in them had the most effect. They gave me the the perception of being a "threat", which you should need to be if you plan to win the game. They also gave me control. The Grotto was a huge part of this game, for both alliances. My wins gave my side more opportunities. Also, the most important challenge was the eChallenge and that gave me a spot in the final 4, and at that point..pretty much the final 3. (Confident in my challenge abilities) That single win allowed me to get both Earl and myself safely in the final 4 where we would be half the players left in the game. Next is 30% Strategy. My pivotal move was jumping from New Livy to Courtney, Brenda, and Earl. The allies I picked were very loyal to me and I don't regret any decisions I've made. My outbursts at Tribal Council, treemail, wherever, were all part of my strategy. Effective or not I had to voice my opinion. 20% social gameplay, because it helped me make it through the votes I was eligible to go. I didn't lie unneccesarily. The only time I lied was the early merge where we all had to do it to try and gain favor. 15% Luck, because without the eChallenge I would of had to rely solely on competitions from final 5 and on (I had an immunity reward). eChallenge allowed me to relax a bit. lol lol this question xD Anyways, I'd say so! 1st or 2nd of 28 is better than 7th of 20. Benry was a challenge threat on the show, but he never won individual immunity. I think he'd love that I won the most amount of immunities im the game / series. (I think)Chase, 100%. Without him giving me his idol I wouldn't be here. Of course, I obviously wouldn't of posted it in Tribal Council if he didn't have one, but yeah he was a really good ally to me. We told eachother everything and if there was one person I could say anything to it was him. Chase was the one who gave me all the dirt on his tribemates before we met up. He tipped me off that Boo wanted Tiberius protected in the swap. It became very obvious from that point on who Boo's main alliance was.Heroic Danielle, I'm appalled. Jk, figured this was coming. Anyways, the main thing I can slam is his gameplay, in which he constantly lied and played both sides. I wasn't blind to the fact he was playing up Tiberius. I knew what was going on, so what separates our gameplay is that I didn't deceive anyone most of the time and lie for the heck of it. His game was much dirtier, and when you play Survivor, you have realize the way you vote people out can come back to haunt you. The only person who should be mad at my gameplay choices is Dreamz, but I had good reasoning in protecting a closer ally. Earl has pissed off probably about half the Jury.
Thanks Danielle!
Mood: Chillin'
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Post by Earl Cole on Feb 24, 2011 22:55:46 GMT -5
1) What was the point in all of these silly excuses about why you voted the way you did. Why not just be honest and say you were playing for the other team?
I could have always been honest and upfront with everything I was exactly doing in the game, I decided not to based on there being a crazy amount of game changing prizes that could easily shift the game and I always trying to play both sides and gather any type of info and keep myself safe. I was honest first merge vote when I said I was voting Dreamz, after that vote I realized that was a terrible mistake because you could have always given him an idol or used a bunch of rewards. The next few rounds I decided I needed to mislead you and your alliance to prevent something like that from happening. Yes I could have always said I'm with the other alliance and I'm never coming back, I would have seen that actually as a very stupid thing to say considering you'd all probably come targeting me next and I did have notions of coming back and working with you all again at some point for 1-2 votes. I wanted to make myself useful to both sides where they both needed me, by keeping that open it preventing me from being targeted and likely why I got zero merge votes. What ended everything was at the final 9 when we all were in the chat talking about voting Chase and nobody was being that direct and it got awfully quiet after I would say something. None of you obviously trusted me any longer and didn't take a genius to know you were all voting someone else and not Chase at that point and I decided I wasn't going to be setup or mislead myself and I would be sticking to the other alliance for good at that point. I was already setup with what I wanted with my final 3 with Brenda and Courtney and there wasn't any reason to not work with them to the end. You and nobody on Tiberius offered me anything long term and when I don't feel someone isn't 100% loyal to me I ain't sticking to it. I did use excuses at times, I thought the less I gave away the better for my game.
2) Another thing I noticed in your game was you seemed a bit cowardly at times (ex. Throwing the FIC to Benry (or at least it seemed that way to me, self-voting the round Courtney left.) Was this being cowardly or were you trying to do these things to look like Jesus Christ to my alliance, your alliance, and the jury?
Really Danielle throwing the final immunity challenge? I played that challenge 100% to win and if I was in fact throwing I wouldn't have sat around 6 good hours posting nearly every minute, I have other things I would rather be doing trust me. My computer just froze at the wrong time during the challenge and I missed a post, happened to me in another final immunity challenge in another game the same exact way and there isn't anything I can do about that. It's not the easiest challenge to win where you have to post exactly on the mark and not have something bad happen or else you're screwed and lose. Yes I know I was going to the final 2 soon as Gabe was out of the challenge, doesn't mean I didn't want to win immunity for myself since I hadn't won one individual immunity challenge all game and wanted to end on a positive note.
I self voted the round Courtney left as a strategy. I upheld my end of the deal with her where I would never write her name on the parchment and didn't. I also knew I was likely next to leave after her since Benry had grotto immunity he could use next round and I was going to try and integrate back in with Tiberius and see if I could somehow scrounge up one flipper by not voting anyone that round. If there was any way Courtney could have stayed I would have never done that, I attempted talking to Boo and You about flipping but then you said you canceled her vote and we were even in a deeper hole down 4-2 instead of 4-3 and it was hopeless at that point.
I don't think I did anything cowardly in this game with the exception of not being upfront and letting you I was voting you out and that's something I should have done since I was already immune and there wasn't much sense lying at that time, I was planning to tell you closer to the deadline and didn't get off work soon enough to do it. I played the game using a lot of manipulation and deception which was part of my original strategy. I was forced to be tricky a lot of this game due to the game changing prizes and I had stacked my alliances so high that I was going to be forced burning bridges one way or another and just went with what I thought gave myself the very best opportunity to make the very end. I did what I had to do to advance further along in the game, I was connected well with both sides well where if I ever felt there was something better I would have jumped on it. I asked Gabe and You at certain points for long term deals and you never committed to anything. I already was in a final 3 with Brenda and Courtney and since that was gonna give myself a decent opportunity to make the end, I was fully committed to that. I was doing whatever would put myself in the best possible position and would help my alliances and allies in the game.
3) Final individual question for you. Did you have a pre-game alliance with anyone in this game?
I signed up for this game solo like I typically do. I didn't have any pre game alliances going in, I did only know 2 people playing this game beforehand (Brenda & Sash) but we were on opposing tribes and I never made any alliances with them until I ended up on a tribe with them and thought we should align. I've never been much a big fan of pre game alliances and rarely make them, I much rather keep my options wide open and work with the people who I feel are best suited to help and benefit my game opposed to just people I know from playing prior games with and could be a liability more then anything else later.
Both : 1) You two have been generally nice towards each other, so now I want to see some slamming. I want you BOTH to tell me why the other person SHOULD NOT win this game. Don't be iffy on the slamming or you may not receive my vote to win. Relied heavily on immunity Benry was the challenge beast, but I feel he relied way too heavily on immunity to the point where he made himself this huge merge threat where whenever he lost he was automatically on the chopping block. He only had around 3 tribal councils without immunity and each time his name was on the parchment and he nearly left. Without Chase's idol at the final 9 he wouldn't have survived though that vote for instance.
Not using on his game aim at merge He was on aim since I talked with him everyday, he just used his regular aim and not the one he posted for the game. Sure he was able to pm back and forth with people but I usually hate having to pm people when I want an answer quickly and I'm sure that annoyed everyone. He seemed to just talk with his allies over aim and not everyone else and I believe that put a dent into his game.
Didn't play as strategical I felt I played a better strategical game. I never once won individual immunity and had to survive a lot of non immune tribal councils and only piled up 3 votes the entire game. I don't think Benry could have pulled off what I did by staying open the entire merge and survived through every vote if he wasn't safe with immunity most the time.
Board Rants The constant board rants I felt were unnecessary and only put a larger target on his back. There were pages and pages of things and it was frustrating at times trying to get to a certain post you wanted to see from tribal council or tree mail. I didn't think we needed these and could have easily done without them.
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Post by Danielle DiLorenzo on Feb 25, 2011 0:22:27 GMT -5
Thanks for your answers and good luck to the both of you!
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